tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post2225817477389538703..comments2024-03-12T12:54:32.926-07:00Comments on Life After Mastermind: Just because another team does it, that doesn't make it right.Londiniushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07871325359167581176noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-59951093585788856402011-04-23T07:03:00.676-07:002011-04-23T07:03:00.676-07:00Hi rayofsunshine
Never feel the need to apologise...Hi rayofsunshine<br /><br />Never feel the need to apologise for length of posts - long ones, short ones, medium sized ones, we love 'em all.<br /><br />Since you're asking, yes, I have been banned from a quiz for reasons other than success before. Two years ago I made a very injudicious comment about a local quiz in this very blog. I don't want to rehash the details and thus upset any of the protagonists who might be reading it. However the response was basically that I am arrogant, smug, a bad loser and a bad winner - ( not for me to comment, its all in the eye of the beholder ) and that the Landlord said that I would not be welcome at the quiz any more. Live and learn. <br /><br />All this happened across the net, though. I'm glad to say that I've never had a scene like the one that you described. Hopefully you've found better places to go since.<br /><br />Thanks for your comments<br /><br />DaveLondiniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871325359167581176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-61328347288455282142011-04-21T09:24:57.812-07:002011-04-21T09:24:57.812-07:00Sorry I was unclear. What happened was the team in...Sorry I was unclear. What happened was the team in question had no idea and put an answer so wrong,(a fictional character from the wrong century,rather than a real person), that I assumed it was a joke answer. The QM then read out the right answer, but those marking decided it was near enough and without checking marked it correct, and having noticed they laughed and accepted the mark. <br /><br />I was pretty sure you'd be against such a thing, but very few people seem to care so nice to see we're not alone. Good luck tonight, you can't do worse than I did once. Have you ever been told not to return to a quiz for reasons other than success?<br /><br />On one occasion my team were undermarked by 20 points at a quiz and as the QM also got our team name wrong didn't realise until the last score was read out,followed immediately by the prize being handed out. Someone else on the team went to complain and seeing he was getting irate I went to calm matters. The QM refused to show us our sheet to prove the "error"(that coincidentally benefitted more regular customers over us) and my diplomatic skills helped the little twerp to get so riled up he slammed a glass down on the bar and in best Peggy Mitchell style shouted up "Get out of my pub". <br /><br />Sorry for the length of post.rayofsunshinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438127610048943906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-29181693004375732102011-04-21T02:31:19.740-07:002011-04-21T02:31:19.740-07:00Hi rayofsunshine, and welcome to LAM. Thanks for t...Hi rayofsunshine, and welcome to LAM. Thanks for taking the time and trouble to leave a comment. <br /><br />"In my experience teams that cheat are normally lousy anyway. "<br />I don't know if I'd express it in quite so forthright terms, but yes, I don't see the best teams in any quiz cheating like this, certainly. <br /><br />"What do you think of knowingly taking a mark for an obviously wrong answer? To me it's wrong, plain and simple but at my last pub quiz a team who did well, took a point for a "comedy" wrong answer that the clueless team marking them had given them. They were amused and thought my team would be, we weren't, especially as we've taken points off our score when they've overmarked us in the past."<br /><br />I'm not 100% clear what you mean here. If you mean that the answer they gave was wrong, and it was different from what the QM said, the other team having marked it right by mistake, then no, that's absolutely wrong ! They obvioulsy knew that it was a mistake, and they were honour bound to report it to the QM, and deduct the point. <br /><br />If on the other hand they put down their comedy answer, and the QM had the same answer down, wrongly , then its just one of those things. I've taken up arms against ' the question master is ALWAYS right' in the past , in this very blog, but if he gives an answer, once you've made your point and he sticks to his guns, then what he says has to go, even if you know its not right. <br /><br />"At my regular pub quiz there's a trend of teams very quickly producing evidence that answers read out are wrong via mobiles that does at times make you wonder a little."<br /><br />Yes, that's a prime example of why I am pessimistic that phones will kill pub/social quizzes. These people obviously have no shame about using their phones, and are even blatant about it. That's a prime example of the attitude which seems to be taking hold, that its alright to cheat because 'everyone' does it. In such a place , I really don't know what the answer is. <br /><br />I'm back to the Rugby club tonight, and I hope that I can contain myself without making a scene tonight . . . I'm saving it for next week when I'm question master myself.<br /><br />Thanks for dropping by<br /><br />DaveLondiniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871325359167581176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-57683902366906251372011-04-20T17:28:11.666-07:002011-04-20T17:28:11.666-07:00In my experience teams that cheat are normally lou...In my experience teams that cheat are normally lousy anyway. At my regular pub quiz there's a trend of teams very quickly producing evidence that answers read out are wrong via mobiles that does at times make you wonder a little.<br /><br /><br />What do you think of knowingly taking a mark for an obviously wrong answer? To me it's wrong, plain and simple but at my last pub quiz a team who did well, took a point for a "comedy" wrong answer that the clueless team marking them had given them. They were amused and thought my team would be, we weren't, especially as we've taken points off our score when they've overmarked us in the past.rayofsunshinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02438127610048943906noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-58395694040354437612011-04-16T03:19:15.161-07:002011-04-16T03:19:15.161-07:00Hi Will and Gareth,
I take what you're saying...Hi Will and Gareth,<br /><br />I take what you're saying. The problem I have - or should I say we have - is that there has been this laissez faire attitude in the club of just letting it go, since it is only 'a bit of fun'. I have had polite arguments with Brian over this. And up to now, I have not really wanted to upset the apple cart by making a huge scene over it. But I do think that unless we get hold of it now, and stand up and be counted and actually say - look, this is just not on - then we might as just wind up the quiz and call it a day. I honestly don't know if its something I'm going to want to be part of unless we do something about it.<br /><br />God alone knows what I'll do with my Thursday evenings instead, though.<br /><br />Thanks for your comments,<br /><br />DaveLondiniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871325359167581176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-19921892660255053082011-04-15T07:49:09.366-07:002011-04-15T07:49:09.366-07:00When I QM, I always make a point of telling the te...When I QM, I always make a point of telling the teams that no use of phones or any other form of cheating is permitted. And once the point has been made I lighten the mood a tad by saying something like: anyone found cheating will be stripped naked and tied to the nearest lampost, with pictures placed on facebook. I think it has the desired effect. Leadership on this matter has to come from the QM.<br /><br /><br />The quiz I go to on a Monday holds a similar place in my heart to the quiz you are talking about. The QM reminds us each week not to use phones. He also does the answers pretty soon after asking the questions (and certainly never goes to a break with questions left unmarked). I've been going to the quiz for 11 years and although there has undoubtedly been the odd bit of cheating over the years I am pretty confident that the teams that win do so fairly. But again, the QM sets the tone, and he deals with people who step out of line. I'm afraid if teams are allowed to use reference books openly then it indicates a lack of leadership. No wonder people push it as far as they can.Gruffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248577840110150085noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-69622196195215173642011-04-15T07:10:54.121-07:002011-04-15T07:10:54.121-07:00I like the idea of handing out the answers... at m...I like the idea of handing out the answers... at my local, part of the quiz is a buzzer round (at least it is when I set it) so that bit at least is difficult to cheat on. Spoken answers for money and short delays between ending a round and marking the answers can help.<br /><br />I think little can be done to dissuade cheating as the one-liners you mention will always be trotted out when the culprits are confronted.Will Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15812405562443441057noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-88782557012425010422011-04-15T06:47:36.049-07:002011-04-15T06:47:36.049-07:00Hi Aaron
I've come very close to doing this m...Hi Aaron<br /><br />I've come very close to doing this myself - when I've seen teams cheating I have pointedly asked one of them to come up so that I can tell them the answers - but it hasn't really seemed to make any difference. <br /><br />Its just that its happening in the club - its OUR quiz, and its been so good for such a long time I think that we should cherish it a little more. Because I think that if the majjority of teams start doing this all the time it will render the whole quiz pointless, and it will kill it. And it saddens me that other people just can't see it this way.<br /><br />Thanks for leaving a comment<br /><br />DaveLondiniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07871325359167581176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5401280171563686515.post-4546062651374991302011-04-15T06:41:31.108-07:002011-04-15T06:41:31.108-07:00You are, of course, right to be angry about it.
W...You are, of course, right to be angry about it.<br /><br />What I would suggest is that the QM prints off a few sheets of answers for the whole quiz, and if he is pretty sure that a team are cheating, he gives them the sheet, along with an appropriately cutting remark ("If you're so desperate to check your answers...")<br /><br />They can of course continue to quiz but any score they get will have to be qualified by "...but of course, they had all the answers."Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135263524109542154noreply@blogger.com